From Spider-Man to the Page: A Conversation with Noah Goins

The Top Guys kick off their very first guest interview with Noah Goins (@noahgoinscomics), a freelance writer and passionate comics advocate who has built a 40,000+ follower Instagram following in just over a year by championing the artistry behind the medium.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Noah traces his love of comics back to Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man films leading him into his local comic shop, and shares how years as a hip-hop lyricist gave him the courage to put himself in front of a camera. The crew digs deep into what separates great comics artists — from golden age legends like Jack Kirby, Alex Toth, and Wallace Wood, to modern voices like Dan Mora, Daniel Warren Johnson, and Elsa Charretier — and why Noah feels compelled to make sure artists get the credit they deserve in a space that too often forgets them.

Along the way, the guys debate the John Romita Jr. Amazing Spider-Man #1000 controversy, make a case for an Agent Venom movie, introduce Noah to Mike Parobeck and Mike Wieringo, and get a surprise shameless plug from the hosts themselves. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:10

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another exciting episode of the Top Guys Podcast. We're doing something a little different on today's show. We're doing our very first interview, and we couldn't be happier that he chose to be our first guest. A young freelance writer and budding artiste, he's quickly become one of the comics medium's greatest advocates through his Instagram page at Noah Goen's Comics, growing it to 40,000 and counting in just a little over a year. There he speaks life into the contributions of comics creators reaching back to golden and silver age masters such as Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko to today's modern masters, the likes of Dan Mora and Daniel Warren Johnson. His work has garnered praise throughout the comics, ranging from esteemed creators such as Chris Somney, Tula Little Toy, Tula Tay, excuse me, Alex Ross, and more. The top guys are proud to welcome Noah Goins to the podcast. Noah, it's a pleasure to meet you. Welcome.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

What an intro I think I've uh thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:12

It's it's an honor to be here. We're happy to have you.

SPEAKER_03 1:17

Thought I'd start out with the first question that I can throw at you. What was your first experience with the comics medium?

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Oh man. I mean, it shh just like most of us, it dates back to, you know, as far as you could remember. I feel like that's the most like standard answer. But I remember just always, as we were talking earlier about Spider-Man, always loving Spider-Man. And whether that came from Toby Maguire's, you know, his debut, I guess I should say, as Spider-Man, that led me to the comic shops. I wanted to see more, you know, what was going on with this character. I knew it was based on, you know, the comic books from all the behind-the-scenes stuff on the DVDs. I mean, I would just religiously watch those. And there was a comic shop close to my grandmother's house, and I remember going in there and just asking the guy for Spider-Man stuff, and he pointed me in the right direction. And so he he created a bit of a monster there. So who was what was the first comment that you can remember picking up? The one I can remember picking up vividly at the shop was an Amanda Connor Marvel Adventures cover. And it was with The Lizard. I remember just wanting to read The Lizard, and that one stood out to me the most. But there was also these like Iron Man, Hulk, Spider-Man team up books, very like child-centered type of covers. And I think shortly after, one that really stuck out was Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe, which is a leap in terms of like maturity. Right. I those three like big jump. Yeah, really.

unknown 2:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:51

Yeah, that's that's like going from like I don't know, Sonic the Hedgehog to like Preacher.

SPEAKER_06 2:57

It's like boom.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah, definitely. But that that was that's in my in my memory for sure. That'll never go away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

I now want to see Glenn Fabry drawing Sonic the Hedgehog. That would be awesome. That would that would be sick.

SPEAKER_03 3:14

Hey, why not? So, next question. What pushed you to create a space to speak on your love of comics artistry?

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Just genuinely loving it. And I think also looking at the space. And if there's other creators out there, please let me know who they are. But I remember writing my own comics for years and really just wanting to understand the process of what goes into it. And when I would go on social media in the lots of these places, especially TikTok and Reels, people were doing new comic book day and showing their covers and showing the books they were reading, but a lot of times they lacked like telling me who the artist was. Oh so that kind of led me to be like, nobody's doing this, so I feel like maybe I should, just because of pure interest, you know, and it kind of spiral out into this thing, you know, that I enjoy doing so much. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03 4:07

Okay. So what does the process of you going from okay, I have this idea to finding the bravery to make it a thing?

SPEAKER_00 4:20

Man, that's a really good question. So for anybody listening, they may not know this about me, but I was a musician for a little while. Oh, nice. Oh, that's that's amazing. Yeah. Well, I wouldn't I wouldn't call myself a musician, more of a lyricist. Okay, okay. Yeah, I was just I loved hip-hop, and I thought in the back of my head, like this is the thing that I was gonna do, that I was gonna be a rapper, and I did music videos and I produced with my my friends and did it for about five to six years, seriously, and it just never took me to the heights that I guess I expected or wanted. And so I guess to answer your question, the bravery came from years of not getting to where I wanted to, doing something that I loved. And so for that there, I was like, well, comics, you know, that's a space that includes every type of person. And, you know, typically most people are accepted for who they are in that space. And so I found it relatively easy to feel, I guess, brave, as you say, which I wouldn't call myself brave, but comfortable to get online and and talk in front of a camera, yeah.

unknown 5:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Did you have a moniker? Moniker, yeah. Just my name actually, just Noah G. Okay. It took me a minute. I'm like, what does that word mean again? And I had to go through the files there. Yeah, just Noah G was was was the name I went by. Can we still can we find you out there? Yeah, it's hasn't gone anywhere. Yeah, it's up still. Noah G. So are you on Spotify and stuff like that? Spotify, yeah, Apple Music, YouTube, all that stuff. So yeah, if you could find it, well, good. It shouldn't be too hard to find, but good luck, yeah. And I hope you I hope you like it. I know. Of course. I mean the roots, the roots I came from. Like I grew up with classic hip-hop, so that was kind of the trajectory I took. So I do take pride in the fact that it's not BS type of type. It's a lot very much has a lot of substance, similar to my content today. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

You got anything, Omar?

SPEAKER_01 6:27

Yeah, man. Um, I'm curious about your your your the comic that you're making. Forgive me if I mispronouncing. Is it Ayan? Ayan Genesis?

SPEAKER_00 6:36

Oh, yeah, it's Ian Genesis. So that's Ian Genesis. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Ian is a character that I created that I haven't really spoken much on because I spend so much time talking about others' works. And then I'm also just kind of building my portfolio before I really like get that out there into the world. But that was just being curious, man. Planned a lot earlier.

SPEAKER_01 6:57

So your creative process on that. Because especially now that you mentioned that you you were a rapper. And I'm curious to know, man, like you're you're you're doing all of these profiles on other creators, and that has to, I'm wondering, does that influence what you're doing in terms of your your own creation? And even when you were a rapper, did you find that because this is where I'm getting this from? You if you rap, there's somebody had to influence you, and you may find that your bars start to sound like somebody else's, and you have to almost like pivot from that. Do you find that that was that ever a challenge? Do you find that challenging now as you create that you're influenced by because you cover everybody? So do you find that that has any influence, or are you like, nope, this is my voice, this is me. There might be some touches here or there, but this is very uniquely mine. I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_00 7:48

See if I can find a way to answer this accurately, but I would actually say comics has changed my perception of hip-hop because I see this giant web of you know creators in comics that some of their influences will trace back to one place, you know. And in terms of that, like Jack Kirby or Alex Toth, like a lot of these guys, their way they were working was innovating how comics were composed. So in my mind, I'm like, nobody would have told a story this way had it not been for X, Y, and Z. So I think in terms of does it deter me or oh, am I trying to be too much like this person? I think that I've kind of let go of that because I know where everything originates from. But when it comes to writing, yeah, I definitely try to not be, you know, Frank Miller or, you know, I love Jeff Johns, you know, there's a lot of a lot of writers. Jeff Loeb, even, you know, he gets really emotional. And I'm like, how can I not borrow those things? But in terms of art, I mean, I think that I can, you know, I think there's just so much to choose from that it's kind of impossible to be like, oh, it's too much like X, Y, and Z.

SPEAKER_06 9:03

Two questions, Noah.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

First, what kind of things do you look for in independent comics when you're just sort of out there on the hunt? And two, what advice would you give to aspiring artists who want to either get their work more visible out there? I butchered that whole statement. Get their work out there more in front of people and maybe finding like an agent, that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

That's a great question. I I think I'm never looking for something. I think when something speaks to me that I just go with that. Like if it's really cool, it's really dope, then I'm just gonna naturally enjoy it. I do think like the hustle and grind of you know, you were an independent creator starting off. I think finding your voice is like super important. And I know it's easier said than done, but someone will send me a comic. For instance, like Raymar Brunson, when I discovered Ray Mar, or I should say when Raymar discovered me, because it was very early on, he had this character, Ghostman, and he had this style that was very reminiscent of Alex Toth, just heavy blacks and and character expressions were just just perfect, and it was just really what I love. So I think when you have an original idea, an original voice, and then you have something that people can relate to or remember, you know, I like this because I also enjoy this. I think that's also important. So relatability, I I guess is the the biggest thing for any upcoming artists, whether you have an agent or a publisher or not, you know?

SPEAKER_03 10:46

All right. So next question. Uh what do you think is a common thread between the many artists that you you've covered? What do you what would you find that made them or better yet, interested you so much that you were like, okay, I have to speak to this.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Just well, I guess it should be just how different everybody is and how everybody has their own way. You know, with Spider-Man, we were talking about Spider-Man, how many different ways that you can do Spidey? You know, you can make him super muscular and detailed like Alex Ross or somebody like Darwin Cook, he had like a 30-page Spider-Man story. It's like a cartoon, like for you know, Spider-Man kids, like for kids or something like that. So I think just how many different voices there are. And same with hip-hop, you know, how many different stories there are to tell, you know. If you're somebody like Jeff Loeb, I don't know his personal story, but from reading his work like Spider-Man Blue or Captain America White, it's like, what has he experienced that allows him to tap in to this emotional side, you know? And I think that's what interests me ultimately, you know, just what story are you trying to tell through these pages, you know? And and you can pick up on that from as many times as Superman has been done. You look at Grant Morrison's all-star Superman, and it's like, okay, nobody's ever really told it from this wide scope perspective of all of Superman's history into this really this story about just being okay with who you are, you know, like just little things like that, you know, and I think that's really powerful.

SPEAKER_03 12:22

Yeah, because you know, I think it was pretty interesting the response that the Spider-Man Amazing Spider-Man 1000 cover got that John Romita Jr.

unknown 12:34

did.

SPEAKER_03 12:35

Now, uh, I'll freely admit, I don't think it was his best work, but I thought it was like for John Ramita Jr., where he's at in his career right now, where Amazing Spider-Man is at issue 1000. I don't think that there was anyone better than him to be chosen for that cover. But yet people just didn't respond in a positive light. And I thought it was pretty interesting that I saw that you were one of the people who was pushing back against that, saying, no, he deserves to have that cover. Like you can find a lot of guys who should be doing that cover, but no, when it really comes down to it, someone like a John Ramita Jr. who not only has this history with the character of Spider-Man, but his father probably has the definitive take on Spider-Man. Like, I was just happy to see that you were you were standing on that, you were standing on business for that personally.

SPEAKER_00 13:38

I I most of the time we'll always stand with the artists unless it's some like ridiculous, like, oh my gosh, they're just you know, and doing incentive covers and you know, you know, just because they want to make money. But when you look at somebody like John Ramita Ramita Jr., and I had the pleasure of meeting him at HeroesCon. Nice, and you know, he spoke to me and I was like, hey, I just want to let you know, like, I love your work, lots of people love your work, and he's like, Oh no, you know, a lot of people hate my work. And I'm like, to hear that just kind of irked me inside because of how many people have grown up with his Spider-Man and his father's Spider-Man as well. And on social media, it's such a dangerous place because people will stick to a controversy without knowing who's behind it, and they're really quick to throw stones without comprehending what it is they're even looking at, you know? And not to say you need to be like, I'm a comic connoisseur, and I know, but to just show the lack of respect, I think, without having any prior knowledge is just I did no.

SPEAKER_03 14:52

Get behind me, JRJ. Yeah, I know I'm good with y'all, so all right. Next question. Out of all the research that you've done, which artist surprised you the most? That's a great question.

SPEAKER_00 15:09

I think maybe John Byrne, because of how many people dislike him, but how many, how prolific he is. I think definitely just researching his career and then hearing all the bad things about him, I'm like, oh man, this guy was yeah, this guy was a hothead, you know. I don't know. I think I think it really depends. Anytime somebody comes from animation, I always find that intriguing. Or if they, you know, passed away young and just not reaching their full potential, or they were so great, like Carlos Meglia is a great example. Like you if you would have lived 20 more, 30 more years, you know what I mean? Like he would have gone to places we probably would have never, we could just won't see, you know.

SPEAKER_02 15:51

And we'd get a 4K Cyber 6 blu-ray.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

So just exploring, you know, I I think it's it just really depends. Because there's things even about like the Garfield artists that surprise me. And I'm like, oh I can't lie, I was shocked when you did that. Yeah, I I I try to cover everything, you know, and if some if I like something too, I've always loved Garfield, so I was like, let me let me get into this guy's career, but knowing he had a whole failed strip that he thought was gonna work, you know, for three years, it's like that is that does interest me, you know.

SPEAKER_03 16:22

Yeah. Well, I'm gonna put you onto a couple artists. I don't know if you you know them, but I would love to see you touch upon them someday. Do you know about Mike Perabeck? No. Oh wow. Mike Perabeck was the artist on the Batman adventures when they were being part-time written by Paul Deanie, but mainly by Batman. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Kind of like these, right? Like these kind of when they were doing something.

SPEAKER_03 16:50

Back when, yeah, he was drawing it as Batman, the animated series, was like still in production. So he was just doing like knock it out of the park artwork. And unfortunately, he passed away at a very early age due to diabetes. But he left a lot of like incredible art behind. Same with another artist that I don't know if you know about Mike Waringo. No, yeah, yeah. He was incredible, had a nice fantastic forerun with Mark Wade. It was probably maybe the most definitive Fantastic Four run past John Burns. Wow. Run saying a lot, yeah. Yeah. And he unfortunately passed away very young too in his 40s. So, you know, maybe I mean it was not telling you what to do.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

No, I always have suggestions and I'm always writing names down. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:49

And you'll find when you do your research on Michael Ringo, his Spider-Man is one of the more definitive takes on the character. I think I I would say Michael Ringo is more of an artist, artist version of Spider-Man. Like it, it's there are subtle things to the lines that he puts down for Spider-Man's motion that wouldn't necessarily pop out to a, and I don't mean this to sound negative, a casual reader. Like My Ringo does stuff where it's like if you know Ball, you're like, this is the best that it has ever been done. People need to need to come back to this. Do this, yeah, but in your own way.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

Yeah. Yeah, I definitely need to check that out. I I'm surprised I haven't heard it from from all the Spider-Man artwork I've yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Well uh you know, you know SPX, correct? Like Small Press Expo right?

SPEAKER_00 18:46

No, I'm not sure either, no.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Oh really? Yeah, the Small Press Expo is here in Maryland every September. Um uh Devon, it's the it's the biggest independent show in America, right? Well, yeah, in America.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Yeah, I was gonna say TCAF is the biggest independent show.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

That's that's North America.

SPEAKER_03 19:05

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:07

Yeah, but where all the water comes from.

SPEAKER_03 19:10

Yeah, but quiet is kept. I'm actually Small Press Expo's like social media director. So all the the dad jokes and stuff that you see on there, that's all me. But yeah, going back to Mike Waringo, I think that you'd really like his artwork because Waringo, his backgrounds were just like beautiful, and he showed, especially like places with like New York. His New York looked like New York. So it was like if the Fantastic Four were taking a stroll down a street, there were different people of different ethnicities, different heights. You could just look at like the faces of the people, and they were all doing something different. They weren't just background characters, it felt like they had individual lives going on within that single panel, and that's absolutely why I love Michael Ringo. So, again, no pressure.

SPEAKER_00 20:07

No, definitely up there now. It's in the file cabinet, that's right. Yeah. I wanted to bring up Michael Mike Zek. I think he's one of my top Spider-Man artists. I think just Last Hunt alone, and then all his Punisher, anything he did with Punisher was just incredible. Yeah, I really missed that type of vibe from Spider-Man. And Ramita does a little bit with the you know, the rain and the right he's in pain, like capturing him in pain. I think I think that Ramita does that really well. But Zek is up there for me too.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Yeah, Zek. It's like if he ever wants to come back to comics, I don't think anybody would complain.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

I think he lives in another country now. Philippines now. Yeah, he's done, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:47

Yeah, he's like from what I understand, he's semi-retired. He does some illustration work every once in a while, but it's not even in a style that we would recognize, apparently. Yeah. So anybody got anything else? I got some other stuff I could ask. I'm just curious. Oh, wait, Chris. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 21:06

You know, let's let's let's let's pause the the comic talk.

SPEAKER_06 21:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

What kind of animation inspires you in your work? Because I may be wrong, but I get a watch to Nami vibe from you. Am I mistaken?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

I think you'd be just slightly mistaken. Um that's more my brother. I don't know what it is. My little brother, his name's Carter, he was all into the Toonami, into the anime, into that kind of stuff, and I just leaned into and he likes everything, but that was definitely more his thing. But I grew up family guy, SpongeBob, very simple style animations. Star Wars, the Clone Wars, like the Earth, not the 3D one, the the The Guinea Tartakovsky one. Thank you, because I was gonna screw up his name there. Um yeah, I just loved simple, flat stuff. I think that's why I love Darwin Cook so much. Like, yeah, something about that language just just reaches out to me. So you would be incorrect, but I I do find my Myself now kind of getting into anime and you know things that come from across the pond as well.

SPEAKER_04 22:18

Oh Omar.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

I was curious. Um is there a character that has never been live action that you wish would be made into live action?

SPEAKER_00 22:34

For a long time it was Jon Stewart, but now we're getting Jon Stewart, which is great. Right. I think that's kind of hard to say because most of them have been done. I think I'd rather see more stories adapted than characters, but let me think off the top of my guest characters that haven't been done in live action. Hmm. We haven't seen Agent Venom. I know that is Eddie Brock. We've seen Brock. But Agent Venom is just such a badass design. It really is. That's a cool thing. I'd love to like a Jason Statham kind of movie, but with Agent, I think that would go crazy.

SPEAKER_02 23:10

Was it Eddie Brock or was it Flash Thompson?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

That was Flash Thompson. Right. It is Flash Thompson. Flash Thompson, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:15

Can you do the war vet thing?

SPEAKER_00 23:17

That would be really cool. Yeah. There's I'm sure there's a few. I'm kind of blinking right now, but now I want an Agent Venom.

SPEAKER_04 23:28

Yeah, I really want an Agent Venom movie now.

SPEAKER_00 23:31

Yeah, that would be cool, I think.

SPEAKER_03 23:32

Yeah. So let me see. Hmm. If you could stand over one artist's shoulder while they're creating, who would it be? Living or dead. Anyone.

SPEAKER_02 23:45

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:46

Yeah. Probably Alex Tother, Jack Kirby, or uh Wallace Wood. Definitely some of them. I think Alex Ross, I would love to just watch him go at it. Um there's so many. Uh Frank Quietly, like his line work is just out of this world. I I can keep going on and on and on. Yeah, Darwin Cook, Tim Sail, those guys. Yeah. I I got to look at an original Darwin piece, and I was like, I just couldn't, I couldn't get over it. I was like literally giddy like a little kid. Yeah. Yeah, Jack Kirby, some of the greats, you know, Jack Kirby for sure. Maybe like an Al Williamson or Al Williamson, dude.

SPEAKER_02 24:30

So good.

SPEAKER_00 24:31

So many. I mean, there's so many. John, John Byrne, I would definitely like. I would like to see John Byrne working on Wonder Woman or just being there at that time. I have yeah, my Wonder Woman John Byrne book just sitting up there. I just think it's such a beautiful, beautiful cover. But yeah, there's so many.

SPEAKER_03 24:47

I'm just kind of surprised because most people would say X-Men or maybe even Fantastic Four.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

Yeah, I just I'm a Wonder Woman fanatic. Like I love everything Wonder Woman. Um I really love Hayden Sherman and Kelly Thompson's Wonder Woman. I like it more than that. Like I'm maybe a minority, but I think the story is way more emotional and intriguing in terms of Diana's history. I think it just connects really well and hits all those beats for me. And that's kind of why I went back to John Burns Wonder Woman because I'm like, this is the original absolute Wonder Woman. Like, you know, she gets really rough and like she's going through some shit, and it's excuse my language, buddy.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

Oh no, you cuss. It's just great. You cuss here. All right, cool. Yeah, you're in you're in a cuss safe zone. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

But yeah, I've never been too much into Fantastic Four, really, that or X-Men that much either, though. No, really, my not my top top picks, but I do appreciate all that has been done with the X-Men. I think recently Simone DeMeo and Jeff Lowe, they did uh Age of Apocalypse, and I'm like totally digging that, you know, Bengus Capcom style vibe to these characters. That's what I remember the most from being a kid.

SPEAKER_06 26:03

Nice. Anyone got anything else? All right. Well, let's uh get a couple more. All right.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

All right. What uh what artists do you well what current artists do you think embody the spirit of of the great, such as like an Alex Toph or uh Steve Ditko? Like who are you who are you really liking right now?

SPEAKER_00 26:29

So her work hasn't been around as much, and I think it has something to do with the publishers, but her name's Elsa Chartier, and she does The City Beneath Her Feet for Distillery, and she kind of falls in line with that Alex Toth, Darwin Cook, Bruce Tim kind of style. And so it's very rare for me to find somebody that works that way. Raymar kind of works that way too, but she's definitely like a modern artist. I and I recommend her YouTube because she does break downs of Mignola pages and and tons of other great comic book artists. So she's very insightful, but she she's one that sticks out to me right now, definitely.

SPEAKER_04 27:08

Okay. Hmm.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Now I'm trying to think of like who have you ever seen unfortunately he's passed away. Have you ever seen Carlos Pacheco's artwork?

SPEAKER_00 27:20

I have, not overly familiar, but that name I've seen a bunch, you know, throughout my researching. So I'm sure I've seen his artwork, but that name I I hear frequently.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Yeah, he's he's got a pretty big impact across the board. Like uh I did Avengers Forever, and what else did he do? Chris helped me out. Oh, that was good. Yeah, um JLA JSA. That's another good one.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Like we're talking late 90s is like his heyday.

SPEAKER_03 27:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Like late 90s into early 2000s. He was one of the principal artists, sort of like not principal, like featured artists in Heroes Return, when you know they they did the whole heroes born thing, and then you know, like on spot exploded or whatever, and we're bringing him back. Yay! And like no, Carlos Pacheco is right there doing pretty sure he was Avengers, right?

SPEAKER_03 28:16

Yeah, he was on Avengers. Oh no, he also did Fantastic Four. He's another one who did an FF run.

SPEAKER_00 28:22

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'll have to spend some more time with his work then. I'm sure if I look at it, I'd be like, oh, that that's who that is. But okay. Yeah. I I was thinking another person I think is also kind of honing in on what the greats have done in terms of manga would be Daniel Warren Johnson. Um I'm not like the biggest fanboy of his artwork or anything, but it's purely comics. Like everything he does just feels like a classic manga or like a classic, I think more 90s because everything's so extreme. But even I got to speak with Kari Andrews, and I don't know if you're familiar with Kari. Oh, yeah. Tapping in, oh, okay, cool. Yeah. I just got to talk with him yesterday, and he's really diving into that 90s extreme that I like. So I think what's cool about Daniel Warren Johnson is he's taking aspects of manga that have always been popular, and then the extreme parts of comics, and it just feels so comic book, and I do enjoy it for that reason.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

Yeah, his stuff just kind of reminds me of like Kirby, like on the New Gods, where it was just like stuff going on in the background, and you're just like, why would anybody draw all this stuff? But it's like some artists just need to get that out of their systems, and I feel like Dan Daniel Warren Johnson is one of those guys.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

So I think uh I don't know what the word is, it's very like it feels emotional. There's just so much on that page, and it just feels very every line feels intentional, every expression, yeah, it it's great.

SPEAKER_03 29:53

Yeah. And then next question What's exciting you about comics right now, in this very moment?

SPEAKER_00 30:01

In this very moment, I think just being able to pick up the next book I have next to me, or you know, oh, I still haven't gotten to this yet. I think cover art always pulls me in. So if I see a cover that really, you know, grabs my attention, that excites me. I I still get the simple pleasure of discovery, you know, and and finding something that I don't know or haven't heard. And YouTube's a great tool for that, you know. I hear a lot of listen to different interviews, love them or hate them. Rob's Rob Lightfeld has some very crazy stories that I'm like, I would have never known that had I not listened to this episode. But yeah, just the history of comics and even some some of the controversy. I'm like, oh man, this is crazy that this happened, and you just have no idea from the other s other end, you know. But so many things about comics excite me.

SPEAKER_03 30:49

Yeah. No, I totally get that. Does anybody have anything else?

SPEAKER_02 30:55

Well, you know, I was thinking there were there is a there's a young hip happening artist that you could you could you could tune your your feelers to. He he definitely blends Afro futurism and mecha anime and rock music in a really really nice organic. I'm talking about myself.

SPEAKER_04 31:19

I was waiting for it. I was like, I wonder where that one's going.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Yeah. I'm like, is she about to tell me to look up Sanford Green?

SPEAKER_02 31:28

Because I'm like, I already know who that is. Look, I love myself. I'm not Sanford Green. I maybe I'll be Sanford Green when I grow up. Maybe, but I'm not Sanford Green. But but yeah, two-ton rah god, I will send you a link. Check it out.

SPEAKER_03 31:45

Well, he's just kind of my way, I'll be there for that. No BS. Chris is honestly one of the best creators, cartoonists out there right now, and we're pretty happy to have him with us. Because right now, you are literally sitting within 70 years of friendship combined. And Chris, like I can't lie about it. I'm I'm honestly proud of him because he is on track and he is just absolutely doing some of the best work I've I've seen in the Afro futurism space. So amazing. Make sure that you send him a link.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

I was doing like a funny, shameless plug, and you no, see.

SPEAKER_01 32:26

Now we put you on. Yeah, we now we give now we pepper you with compliments.

SPEAKER_02 32:30

Yeah, yeah, I'm excited to be script tonight. Well, damn. I'm gonna turn my camera off while I cry.

SPEAKER_03 32:40

Well, no, we're gonna go ahead and let you go because I know that you're you're on you have other things that you need to be doing, but we really appreciate your being here. Absolutely. And let the people know where they can find you.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Yeah, so you can find me mainly on Instagram, Noah Going's comics. It's the same for TikTok and the same for YouTube. So all the same, yeah, all the same across different platforms. And then my YouTube, I do interviews. So just like I got to chat with you guys, I talk to different creators all the time, and it's just a nice way to unwind or you're on your way to work. It's a great way to get some insight from some of your favorite artists, some of my favorite artists.

SPEAKER_02 33:18

So yeah, brother. Yes, sir. Don't let this be the last time you're on the show. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Please invite me back. You guys were super everything was super comfortable. It was easy to talk to you guys. It's it's incredible. So I appreciate you all so much.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Well, we appreciate you.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

All right. All right, man.

SPEAKER_04 33:37

All right.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

All right. Everyone tell you. I mean this evening or this morning, whenever you so happen to find our beautiful black podcast, we we have had an informative, introspective Christian evening of good merriment.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

Well, we we tried. We were gonna get we got company, we were gonna have best behavior, no, we shouldn't be able to do that.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

And now now Noah knows the truth. Thanks again, Noah. Absolutely much longer. Thank you.